I prefer to accept the word of God by faith, the same way we attain salvation. Did God speak directly to King James I and the various groups of translators assembled by him to produce the KJV for the English-speaking world??? No one said they were quoteing Joe but passing on what they remembered. If Satan can place doubt about the word of God in mans head, he has the war half won It is by faith and faith alone we can be saved I have personally been transformed from a drunkard, dope head, and whoremonger, into a son of God by faith and our so called flawed KJV. THE WORD OF OUR GOD ENDURES FOREVER Some of them date back to just 60-70 years from the original manuscript! Combine a one-year tablet and print subscription to BAR with membership in the BAS Library to start your journey into the ancient past today! You forgot to mention 2 Corinthians 13:14, May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. I just checked a photo of the relevant page in the Sinaiticus, and its not there. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. The text of Codex Sinaiticus differs in numerous instances from that of the authorized version of the Bible in use during Tischendorfs time. If memory serves me, it was a book about women christian martyrs. First, Codex Sinaiticus is not the oldest manuscript its the oldest complete codex and from the 3rd-4th centuries. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Marks Gospel. Regards Codex Siniaticius. The hurricane of Islamic conquest across the Middle East from the 7th century on was, of course, another major factor in destruction. Why dont you ask GOD for the understanding. Additionally, Mark 1:1 in the original hand omits reference to Jesus as the Son of God. It cuts to the heart in a way the other versions never did. But the rest of scripture gives this doxology in many other areas. this same author states The practical effect of the W-H theory was a complete rejection of the Syrian text and an almost exclusive preference for the Neutral text (equals B and Aleph). does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand The Textus Receptus is the text which the King James translators used. Instead.the Gospels end with a message of hope, (The Epilogue at the end of John was probably added later by a follower of Peter.) The King James and Tischendorf? To believers (in whatever version they *like* ?) Such a production line was slow and laborious and costly. So I suppose by repeating only one of Boltons amateurish mistakes, BAR is making progress. WHAT IS HIS NAME? James A. Sanders, founder and president emeritus of the Ancient Biblical . Secondly, you believe that Bible transmission/translation is totally the work of men and that God was not involved in directing any copyists or translators. Did the Ancient Israelites Think Children Were People. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (The King James Version and New King James Version are based on the Textus Receptus.) Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherines monasteryused by Westcott and Hort to rewrite the KJV. Can these manuscripts be useful to Bible students today? Neither the original hand nor any corrector afterward in Codex Sinaiticus has the wording that Jesus was angry in Mark 1:41. We rember what we want, what seemed imoortant to us, but mostly just very general ideas. i have an 1560 geneva bible and 1611 an an 1678 an 1769.. 1829..1841 and also use other revived text bibles. .September 25 .2015) Textes Receptus has over 5000 manuscripts in numerous languages which all agree with each other in terms of content and detail. Denominations and denominationalism are two different things that are not based on the integrity of the New Testament record. There is nothing when and how Mary Magdalena saw the Risen Christ, indicating, of course, it never happened. Consider another example. How else could it be that no copies of these manuscripts, not even on small fragments, have been discovered? Andrew says on 27 May 2016. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts. The sound foundation built by seeking knowledge and wisdom come from meditating on the word day and night and then is still a spiritual revelation of the truth of God. The question is not so much that the English translations should vary I get that but how the Mark translations match. The Textus Receptus constituted the translation-base for the original German Luther Bible, the translation of the New Testament into English by William . My mistake 2 Cor 13:14 is in the CS. Both are included in the Sinaiticus. The idea that older is automatically better has deceived many people when it comes to this text that was found by Tischendorf and used by Westcott and Hort and the like. God works in, with and through fallen human beings, even when the errors/sins are most glaring. The case of using the Dead Sea Scrolls to modify the Masoretic text is no different. For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. are very corrupt in nature such as Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus (A 02), Bezae Canatbrigiensis (D 05). Robert, i too recently read the kj for the first time starting in may. I am mainly interested in all the verses that were not in the oldest manuscripts. And why would God hide the truth from his people for almost 2000 years before giving them the correct script of His Holy Word in the form of Codex Sinaiticus? He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. The old proverbial Trojan Horse trick worked very well back in the old days. What is His name, and what is His Sons name? As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. Matthew 24/37 are you sure and how sure you are? Neither does it appear in the Peshitta, thus proving that the addition at 1 John 5:7 is indeed a corruption of the Bible text. Those manuscripts used as originals in this business wore out very quickly, those used in worship or sold on for private devotions lasted longer, but not for centuries unless unused. things contrary to their beliefs, just might be a gloss or the real thing. Let me point out that the oldest Bible on display in the United States is the Codex Amen (Matthew 6:13). The main texts, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, contradict each other over 3,000 times in the gospels alone, and they disagree with the ' Majority Text' in 13,000 places. The main texts, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, contradict each other over 3,000 times in the gospels alone, and they disagree with the ' Majority Text' in 13,000 places. Following are some of the most important differences between editions of the Greek Received Text: -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.. omits verses with a multitude of documented quotes by the earliest Pre-Nicene Christians including converts of the Apostles Paul, Peter, and John; all of whom certainly has autograph versions of the New Testament books. Theres accountability to the record. We simply dont know what to believe anymore!. Constantine Tischendorf was a false teacher, like one of the ones Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, warned about. The Textus Receptus always has the evidence on its side. It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. All religions are based on truth claims. Actually Mark and other gospels is written after the death of Peter and Paul. Unfortunately, the comments section that follow the article remind us that anti-Catholic bigotry and the ignorance from which it springs is still present in the minds and hearts of fundamentalist Christians. Pilate flatly told the Jewish leaders that he found NO FAULT in this man. further reading AN INTRODUCTION TO TEXTUAL CRITICISM VOL 1. Those wanting to use the Greek manuscripts needs to consult the fact that these were Yisraelis writing, not Greek and the language would have been written in Hebrew. Perhaps I will have the opportunity of sharing this with you in another article. The discipline of Biblical manuscript analysis is mature, rich, and sophisticated. Space does not allow me point out the mutilation of Codex Vaticanus (B). I read it for the prose. When it comes to a consideration of the authenticity of Siniaticus and Vaticanus, few academics seem to ask some very basic non-academic but practical questions such as: Also, like most early mss, Codex Sinaiticus omits John 7:53-8:11, not just 8:3-11. In addition, I dont think Id ever forget them, because theyre life changing. COPYRIGHT 2023 BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY SOCIETY 5614 Connecticut Ave NW #343, Washington DC 20015-2604. Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. But for the Jews there would be no Hebrew scripture. The entire journey is based on spirituality, faith and love in God. Tyndale? Denominationalism must be blamed on our own selfish ambitions and vain conceit as Paul describes in Philippians 2.3, when we ignore Scripture as many Christians often do. This is just not possible, for there is no mention of the catastrophe in Rome when these apostles and most of the other Christians were cruelly massacred late in Neros reign. Thank you for pointing out these issues. So our second question is really: why were these two unorthodox* manuscripts unused? Compare differences between the King James Version and Codex Sinaiticus. Amen ! Blessings to you! the Minority Texts (primarily the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, based primarily on the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus). Everyones complaining yet the letter, sent from Juda to his apostles, in jerusalem warning of people corrupting the words of jesus clearly names jesus as a servant of god rather than the son of god if they were gods first companions why didnt they state so i mean jesus should have told them at from the beginning quite EXPLICITLY! And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. if this is negative, then how is murder, rape, child abuse, greed classified? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524. re 17. There are hundreds of papyri (pages and fragments) much older, but incomplete. In my own experience, for over thirty years, when I have raised the question of what is the correct Greek text of the New Testament, regardless of audience, the usual response has been: What difference does it make? The purpose of this article is to answer that question, at least in part. (APPENDIX II, A COMPARISON BETWEEN SIX MAJOR BIBLE VERSIONS, VOLUME II, UNHOLY HANDS ON THE BIBLE. The world of the Bible is knowable. I am so sorry that you do not see the work of GOD in our envroinment , yourself and in people around you. But for the Roman and Orthodox churches there would be no Latin or Greek scripture (on which all translations depend). This is the cause of the surprise of the British Library staff, who are acknowledged world class experts in handling such manuscripts. We know the Catholics hated the Bible then and even today. This use of parchment as the leading writing material continued for almost a thousand years until it was replaced by paper. Give us this day our daily bread. Im trying to see if there has ever been any other number than 144,000 taken in the first biblical calling mentioned in Revelations. Have you read John Burgons The Last Twelve Verses of Mark? He concluded that Siniaticus and Vaticanus were copied from a lectionary onto superb vellum in a rich scriptorium. Although the Diatesseron had some Textus Receptus readings in it, it was considered to be corrupted. Textus Receptus is Latin for "Received Text." It was used as the textual base for the vernacular translations that arose during the Reformation period. The KJV is familiar to most of us so naturally we prefer the familiar, but to place it on par with the original Greek manuscripts of the bible seems sacrilegious. Take a look at these two English translations. Interpretation is of God also. Have a look at Proverbs 30:4 Be Blessed, Chuck. However, Sinaiticus itself is not relevant, since the evidence is very strong that it was produced in the 1800s, which is why it is in such incredible flexible, supple condition, and the Leipzig pages are white parchment, contra the chemistry of parchment aging.. Codex Sinaiticus Authenticity Research Dig into more than 9,000 articles in the Biblical Archaeology Societys vast library plus much morewith an All-Access pass. The King James Version is taken from the Textus Receptus while the American Standard Version is taken from the Critical Text. But they as a group had heard Jesus Himself. I bless you in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY Spirit. Jesus also told them that I and My Father are one John 10:30 (read the rest of the narrative). When you allow biased comments like this: I believe GOD has preserved his word as he said he would . Fact is you choose to suppress it, and by doing so you distance yourself from the Grace of GOD. Many of the larger monasteries had a scriptorium in which the production of new manuscripts was constant. So why do these proponents never complained that these are not included in evangelical churches bible? Just as a defective plant does not grow but dies so is the nonbeliever already dead. Earlier? What is so important about the KJV being a translation from the Textus Receptus (received text)??? A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. It ought to be a foregone conclusion, then, that Sinaiticus has a better text of Revelation 22:10-21 than the Textus Receptus has. Would appreciate knowing what is considered to be the oldest versions of the OT and NT. I can answer the first question here in part from my own experience. check out this documentary by Abduhla Films called Bridge To Babylon I believe youll find that no one every spoke like Jesus, because Jesus was more than a man. So, you admit there are serious problems with Sinaiticus bibles and also that the only thing of importance to you is you can still be saved using these bibles. In his article Hero or Thief? As Jeff said, you guys are confused about Mark 1:41. In the Gospel of Mark alone, Vaticanus disagrees with Sinaiticus 652 times and with Codex D 1,944 times. The devil you can see is not so much a problem as the devil which you cant see, but yet is very active. In Jesus Name. The only Greek manuscript with that reading is the bilingual Codex Bezae (D/05) from the V century. . The Sinaitic Syriac is considered one of the most important Biblical manuscripts discovered, right along with such Greek manuscripts as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. This article lists the different verses where the codexes conflict with the King James Bible (KJV). http://purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65. Photo: Courtesy of St. Catherines Monastery. Ancient manuscripts? I concur. We have recently reviewed the biblical texts and corrected any apparent mistakes. These discarded old manuscripts that were full of scribal errors and as result were never circulated by the church. When someone spoke the passage ended when the speaker finished. It would enshrine the abominable concept that the church was without the most correct text for 1600 years. The textus receptus was a shortened for of what was actually said Textum ergo habes, nun cab omnibus receptum, which can be translated as the [reader] now has the text that is received by all. So it wasnt that the text was recieved by anyone the translator was just telling everyone that THIS VERSION is the one that everyone should now use, and that was in 1633, a long time after the text was actually written by the authors. Subversion is often of a greater danger than frontal attack. If I misquote the Prime minister of my country just by a little bit, publicly, and insist that my quote is what he said, even when it is pointed out that I got it wrong, will I be excused by the Chief Prosecutor for the Government? Does this brief article represent the quality of work that is typical of the BAR staff? The textus receptus was essentially a slogan used by the distributors of the KJV after it was error corrected and reprinted on the printing press. I am still researching this. A court is not the appropriate place to prove or disprove the authenticity of old manuscripts. There also was the first letter to the Corinthian church which described resurrection appearances and so on..And there are numerous modern scholars (agnostic, Christian, not Christianapparently also Jewish) who assert that belief in the physical resurrection rose up within the church immediately. According to James Bentley, Tischendorf was not troubled by the omission of the resurrection in Mark because he believed that Matthew was written first and that Marks gospel was an abridged version of Matthews gospel. Following is the story of how Tischendorf found the Codex Sinaiticus: